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Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.

For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:

1. Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
2. Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open for at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.

Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.

When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.

Scope

CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.

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Discussions awaiting closure

See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.

How to use CfD

Nomination procedure

Twinkle

You may use Twinkle to facilitate CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Twinkle" in the "Browsing" section. Use the now-installed "XfD" (Start a deletion discussion) tab while viewing the page you want to nominate.

Twinkle only allows you to nominate a single category or stub template. For bundled nominations including multiple categories, see § MassCFD.

MassCFD

You can use the script User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massCFD to automatically make mass nominations.

Manual nominations

I	Preliminary steps. Before nominating a category: Read and understand the guidance for category names and overcategorization. For categories containing biographical articles, read the guidance for categorization of people. For categories containing the user pages of Wikipedians, read the guidance for user categories. In the following special cases: If a category is a red link, then it is already deleted (or was never created in the first place) and does not need to be nominated. If a category is unpopulated, use {{db-catempty}} to request it be speedily deleted in 7 days. If a category is populated solely by a template (other than a stub template, see #Stub types below) and you are proposing to delete both the category and template, follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion. For further information, see Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Manual of Style.
II	Edit the category. Add one of the following templates at the beginning of the category page (not the talk page) of every category to be discussed. For nominations involving large numbers of categories, help adding these templates can be requested here. Otherwise, if nominating a single category: For deleting, use {{subst:cfd}} For merging, use {{subst:cfm|Other category}} For merging to two categories, use {{subst:cfm-double|Other category 1|Other category 2}} For renaming, use {{subst:cfr|Proposed name}} For splitting, use {{subst:cfs|Proposed name 1|Proposed name 2}} For converting the category into a list, use {{subst:cfl|Proposed name}} For other options (containerization, etc.), use {{subst:cfd|type=nature of proposed discussion}} (see Template:Cfd/doc#Optional parameter) If nominating a group of related categories, use a bundled nomination: For deleting, use {{subst:cfd|CfD section name}} For merging, use {{subst:cfm|Other category|CfD section name}} For merging to two categories, use {{subst:cfm-double|Other category 1|Other category 2|CfD section name}} For renaming, use {{subst:cfr|Proposed name|CfD section name}} For splitting, use {{subst:cfs|Proposed name 1|Proposed name 2|CfD section name}} For converting the category into a list, {{subst:cfl|Proposed name|CfD section name}} For other options (containerization, etc.), use {{subst:cfd|type=nature of proposed discussion|CfD section name}} (see Template:Cfd/doc#Optional parameter) Include "CfD", "CfM", "CfR", "CfS" or "CfL" in the edit summary, and do not mark the edit as minor. Preview before saving. To add the template for previous nomination days, use the "full" version of the template by appending "full" to the template name, i.e. {{cfd full}}, {{cfm full}}, {{cfr full}}, {{cfs full}} and {{cfl full}}. Use the |day=, |month= and |year= parameters to make the banner link to the correct CfD page. Consider adding {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2024 දෙසැම්බර් 1|CfD section name}} ~~~~ to the talk page of the category's creator. For details about these templates, see each template's documentation.
III	Create the CFD section. Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) to copy and paste one of the templates below. When inserting category names into these template's parameters, except the text= parameter, omit the Category: prefix and do not use wikilinks, as the template takes care of this. If nominating a single category: For deleting, use {{subst:cfd2|Obsolete category|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}} For merging, use {{subst:cfm2|Origin category|Destination category|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed merge. ~~~~}} For merging to two categories, use {{subst:cfm2|Origin category|Destination category 1|target2=Destination category 2|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed merge. ~~~~}} For renaming, use {{subst:cfr2|Current category|Proposed name|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed rename. ~~~~}} For splitting, use {{subst:cfs2|Current category|Proposed category 1|Proposed category 2|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed split. ~~~~}} For converting the category into a list, use {{subst:cfc2|Current category|Proposed article|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed conversion. ~~~~}} For other options (containerization, etc.), use {{subst:cfd2|Current category|type=other type|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed conversion. ~~~~}} For a bundled nomination, use one of the standard templates to build the "Cfd section name" for the first nominated category. After saving that, the second and subsequent nominations must be inserted manually, as follows: ==== Cfd section name ==== * 1st category * 2nd category [Make clear whether you propose deletion, merging or renaming] * Your reason for nominating the categories, and signature. If a bundled nomination is too long, consider using {{hidden}} to hide some of the nominated categories. In your reason, use links if mentioning articles or categories. To link to a category, use the colon trick by adding a colon (:) to the beginning of the link, e.g. [[:Category:Foo]]. Preview before saving to check that your nomination is formatted correctly, and remember to include your signature at the end of the nomination.

Stub types

I	Preliminary steps. In general, a stub type consists of a stub template and a dedicated stub category. Before nominating a stub type for deletion, merging or renaming: Read and understand guidance for creating stub types and stub type naming conventions. Review the list of existing stub types—be advised, this list may not be comprehensive. If you wish to: Create a new stub type—follow the procedure for proposing new stub types. Delete, merge or rename a stub category only, without deleting or renaming the associated stub template—follow the instructions above this section. Delete or rename a stub template—continue to section II.
II	Edit the template. Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the template to be discussed. For deletion, use {{subst:sfd-t|Section name}} For renaming, use {{subst:sfr-t|Proposed name|Section name}} Please include "SFD" or "SFR" in the edit summary, and don't mark the edit as minor. Preview before saving. Consider notifying the template's creator on their talk page. To find the contributor, check the page history of the stub template.
III	Create the CFD section. Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) and paste the following text (remember to update the default parameters): For deletion, use {{subst:sfd-t2|TemplateName|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}} For renaming, use {{subst:sfr-t2|TemplateOldName|TemplateNewName|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}} In your rationale, mention how many articles currently use the template to help other editors. When linking to a category in your rationale, always add a colon (:) to the beginning of the link, like [[:Category:Foo]]. This makes a category link that can be seen on the page, and avoids putting this page into the category you are nominating. Preview before saving to check that your nomination is formatted correctly, and remember to include your signature at the end of the nomination.

Notifying interested projects and editors

In addition to the steps listed above, you may choose to invite participation by editors who are likely to be informed about a nominated category. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing. In addition, to help make your messages about the CfD discussion clear, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations, link to relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the discussion itself.

Notifying related WikiProjects

WikiProjects consist of groups of editors who are interested in a particular subject. If a nominated category is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, consider adding a brief, neutral note on their talk page(s) about the nomination. You may use {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2024 දෙසැම්බර් 1|CfD section name}} ~~~~ or write a personalized message.

Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant WikiProject's banner will include the category in that WikiProject's Article Alerts if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a nominated category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will add the discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.

Notifying substantial contributors to the category

While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and main contributors of the category that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, check the category's page history or talk page. You may use {{Cfd notice}} to inform the category's creator and all other editors.

Notifying other interested editors

It may be helpful to invite other subject-matter experts by posting a message on the talk page of the most closely related article, such as Protein family for Category:Protein families. You may use {{Cfdnotice}} for this.

Closing procedure

After seven days, someone will close the discussion according to the consensus that formed or, if needed, relist it to allow more discussion. Editors closing discussions must follow the administrator instructions and, except in the case of a "keep" or "no consensus" outcome, implement the result or log it at the Working page to ensure it is implemented.

Redirecting categories

"WP:CAT-R" මෙතැනට යළියොමුවෙයි. the guideline on categorizing redirects සඳහා, Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects බලන්න.

an essay on this topic සඳහා, WP:Category redirects that should be kept බලන්න

In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. In limited circumstances, and because categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (i.e. #REDIRECT[[''target'']]), we use a form of "soft redirect" to solve the issue. You can create a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}} to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets.

In particular, category redirects are used at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up category redirects from titles with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.

A list of redirected categories is available at Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.

Speedy renaming and merging

Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.

1. Determine which speedy criterion applies
2. Tag category page with {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}} or {{subst:cfm-speedy|Merge target}}
3. List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page

Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.

Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.

Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}} with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E may also be processed instantly (at the discretion of an administrator) as it is a variation on G7.

To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:

• Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~

You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.

Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.

If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.

Speedy criteria

The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:

C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes

• Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
• Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
• Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This includes pluralizing a noun in the name of a set category, but not when disagreement might reasonably be anticipated as to whether the category is a topic or set category.

C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices

• Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
• Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).

C2C: Consistency with established category tree names

Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names

• This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
• This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
• This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).

C2D: Consistency with main article's name

• Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
• This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
  • unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
  • uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
• This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
• Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.

C2E: Author request

• This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
• The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.

C2F: One eponymous page

• This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list, template or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use {{subst:cfm-speedy}} (speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).

Admin instructions

When handling the listings:

1. Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
2. With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
3. Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.

If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.

Applying speedy criteria in full discussions

• A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
  • The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
  • No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
• If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.

Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here

If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.

If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.

Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:

* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:

* REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:

* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}

A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 00:49, 29 නොවැම්බර් 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 0 open requests (refresh).

Current requests

Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).

• Category:CONCACAF League Finals to Category:CONCACAF League finals – C2B: Convention has moved to using sentence case for "final" (see contents of category and Category:FIFA World Cup finals for examples. - 2pou (talk) 23:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:People denaturalized by the Soviet Union to Category:Denaturalized citizens of the Soviet Union – C2C: to match sister categories in Category:Denaturalized citizens by country. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Ottoman former Christians to Category:Former Christians from the Ottoman Empire – C2C: per Category:Christians from the Ottoman Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Internationaux de France to Category:Grand Prix de France (figure skating) – C2D: This competition is no longer called the Internationaux de France. Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:UEFA Europa Conference League winning clubs to Category:UEFA Conference League winning clubs – C2D. Snowflake91 (talk) 13:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:UEFA Europa Conference League winning managers to Category:UEFA Conference League winning managers – C2D. Snowflake91 (talk) 13:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:UEFA Europa Conference League winning players to Category:UEFA Conference League winning players – C2D. Snowflake91 (talk) 13:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:UEFA Europa Conference League-winning seasons to Category:UEFA Conference League winning seasons – C2D (and there should not be "-" before "winning"). Snowflake91 (talk) 13:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:UEFA Europa Conference League to Category:UEFA Conference League – C2D. Snowflake91 (talk) 13:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:UEFA Europa Conference League templates to Category:UEFA Conference League templates – C2D. Snowflake91 (talk) 13:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:UEFA Europa Conference League participants seasons to Category:UEFA Conference League participants seasons – C2D. Snowflake91 (talk) 13:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:UEFA Europa Conference League seasons to Category:UEFA Conference League seasons – C2D. Snowflake91 (talk) 13:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:UEFA Europa Conference League winners to Category:UEFA Conference League winners – C2D. Snowflake91 (talk) 13:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:UEFA Europa Conference League finals to Category:UEFA Conference League finals – C2D. Snowflake91 (talk) 13:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:WikiProject Big 12 participants to Category:WikiProject Big 12 Conference participants – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 08:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:WikiProject Big 12 to Category:WikiProject Big 12 Conference – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 08:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:WikiProject Private Equity Articles to Category:WikiProject Private Equity articles – C2A. Gonnym (talk) 07:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:WikiProject Private Equity Task Force participants to Category:WikiProject Private Equity participants – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 07:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:WikiProject Private Equity Task Force to Category:WikiProject Private Equity – C2D: Not a task force. Gonnym (talk) 07:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:WikiProject Irish Music participants to Category:WikiProject Irish music participants – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 07:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:WikiProject Irish Music to Category:WikiProject Irish music – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 07:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• * Category:Pangu Party politicians to Category:Pangu Pati politicians – Per C2D: See Pangu Pati. ⁂CountHacker (talk) 07:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Attacks during the New Year celebrations to Category:Attacks during New Year celebrations – C2A: Misuse of the definite article. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Hewlett-Packard Enterprise acquisitions to Category:Hewlett Packard Enterprise acquisitions – C2A, Hewlett Packard Enterprise does not contain a hyphen and neither should the category in question. Professional Adriazeri (talk) 18:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Sport in Stakhanov, Ukraine to Category:Sport in Kadiivka – due to the name of the main category, Category:Kadiivka Yuriy Kvach (talk) 15:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Former Jewish agricultural colonies of the USSR to Category:Former Jewish agricultural colonies of the Soviet Union – C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:21, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:LF Basket Norrbotten players to Category:BC Luleå players – C2D. 寒吉 (talk) 15:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:People by Imperial Vietnamese dynasty to Category:People by imperial Vietnamese dynasty – C2A: "imperial" is just an adjective. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Hades characters to Category:Hades (series) characters – C2C: Should be properly disambiguated to match up with parent category and not be confused with other media. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:33, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

  Support as creator. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 15:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Vietnamese poets by era to Category:Vietnamese poets by period – C2C: parent is Poets by period Mason (talk) 01:56, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

• @Smasongarrison: alternatively rename to Category:Poets by imperial Vietnamese dynasty per Category:People by Imperial Vietnamese dynasty. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

  ahh, that makes more sense. let's do that! Mason (talk) 15:39, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Monett Red Birds to Category:Monett Red Birds players – C2C: See Category:Minor league baseball players by team. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 01:43, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Colorado Films films to Category:Colorado Film films – C2A: the name of the company is Colorado Film not Colorado Films. Alienautic (talk) 00:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Third Lanark A.C. templates to Category:Third Lanark A.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Stranraer F.C. templates to Category:Stranraer F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Stenhousemuir F.C. templates to Category:Stenhousemuir F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:St Mirren F.C. templates to Category:St Mirren F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:St Johnstone F.C. templates to Category:St Johnstone F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Ross County F.C. templates to Category:Ross County F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Rangers F.C. templates to Category:Rangers F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Raith Rovers F.C. templates to Category:Raith Rovers F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Queen's Park F.C. templates to Category:Queen% 27s Park F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Queen of the South F.C. templates to Category:Queen of the South F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Partick Thistle F.C. templates to Category:Partick Thistle F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Motherwell F.C. templates to Category:Motherwell F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Montrose F.C. templates to Category:Montrose F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:32, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Livingston F.C. templates to Category:Livingston F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Kilmarnock F.C. templates to Category:Kilmarnock F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Kelty Hearts F.C. templates to Category:Kelty Hearts F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Inverness Caledonian Thistle F.C. templates to Category:Inverness Caledonian Thistle F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Hibernian F.C. templates to Category:Hibernian F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Heart of Midlothian F.C. templates to Category:Heart of Midlothian F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Hamilton Academical F.C. templates to Category:Hamilton Academical F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Gretna F.C. templates to Category:Gretna F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:17, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Greenock Morton F.C. templates to Category:Greenock Morton F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Falkirk F.C. templates to Category:Falkirk F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Dunfermline Athletic F.C. templates to Category:Dunfermline Athletic F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Cowdenbeath F.C. templates to Category:Cowdenbeath F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland football club navigational boxes. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Mughal Court to Category:Mughal court – C2C. Mason (talk) 17:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Video games set in a fictional country to Category:Video games set in fictional countries – C2C. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Animated films set in a fictional country to Category:Animated films set in fictional countries – C2C. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:59, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Films set in a fictional country to Category:Films set in fictional countries – C2C. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:59, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Anime and manga set in a fictional country to Category:Anime and manga set in fictional countries – C2C. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:58, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Comics set in a fictional country to Category:Comics set in fictional countries – C2C. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:58, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Operas with mythological or folkloric settings to Category:Operas set in mythological places – C2C: Parent is Category:Mythological places. This is the only category of its kind that isn't about a specific setting, but I don't expect deletion as the outcome. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:51, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

• @LaundryPizza03: not sure if I should oppose, but the category contains more than what is usually considered to be mythological. Maybe rename and purge. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:32, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Union of Scranton of the Old Catholic Churches to Category:Union of Scranton – C2D: Main article is Union of Scranton. Veverve (talk) 14:28, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:International Textile, Garment and Leather Workers' Federation to Category:Global union federations – C2F. Mason (talk) 14:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Presbyterian Church of Aotearoa New Zealand to Category:Reformed denominations in Oceania – C2F. Mason (talk) 14:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Buyid emirs of Fars to Category:Buyid emirs of Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, anachronistic. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  Then what do you propose? Abu Kalijar lead links to Fars province. Gonnym (talk) 21:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  • Just keep as is. "Emir of Fars" is the title that is being used. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

• Category:History of Fars Province to Category:History of Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Fars Province geography stubs to Category:Fars province geography stubs – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Transportation in Fars Province to Category:Transportation in Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Tourist attractions in Fars Province to Category:Tourist attractions in Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Sport in Fars Province to Category:Sport in Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Safavid governors of Fars to Category:Safavid governors of Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Rashidun governors of Fars to Category:Rashidun governors of Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Qajar governors of Fars to Category:Qajar governors of Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Abbasid governors of Fars to Category:Abbasid governors of Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Governors of Fars to Category:Governors of Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose all governors nominations above, anachronistic. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

• Category:People from Fars Province to Category:People from Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Newspapers published in Fars Province to Category:Newspapers published in Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Mass media in Fars Province to Category:Mass media in Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Rural Districts of Fars Province to Category:Rural Districts of Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Rural Districts of Fars Province to Category:Rural Districts of Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Former populated places in Fars Province to Category:Former populated places in Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Cities in Fars Province to Category:Cities in Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Populated places in Fars Province to Category:Populated places in Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:32, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Landforms of Fars Province to Category:Landforms of Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:32, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Fars Province articles missing geocoordinate data to Category:Fars province articles missing geocoordinate data – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:31, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Districts of Fars Province to Category:Districts of Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:31, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Counties of Fars Province to Category:Counties of Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:31, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Geography of Fars Province to Category:Geography of Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:31, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Education in Fars Province to Category:Education in Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Buildings and structures in Fars Province to Category:Buildings and structures in Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Fars Province to Category:Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Angelica Garcia (singer) albums to Category:Angélica Garcia (singer) albums – C2D: to make consistent with relevant article Ss112 11:19, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Jewish culture in France to Category:Jewish French culture – C2C: to make consistant with categories in Category:Jewish culture by country Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:German-Jewish culture in Germany to Category:Jewish German culture – C2C: to make consistant with categories in Category:Jewish culture by country Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Oh Sees albums to Category:Osees albums – C2D: Band renamed to Osees in 2020. Keep current name as redirect (they change their name a lot so all their former names would likely be useful redirects). QuietHere (talk | contributions) 23:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Brazilian princesses to Category:Princesses of Brazil – C2D: Princess of Brazil. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Swedish princesses to Category:Princesses of Sweden – C2D: List of princesses of Sweden. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Polish princesses to Category:Princesses of Poland – C2C: Category:Princes of Poland. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Dutch princesses to Category:Princesses of the Netherlands – C2C: Category:Princes of the Netherlands. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Montenegrin princesses to Category:Princesses of Montenegro – C2D: Princesses of Montenegro. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Serbian princesses to Category:Princesses of Serbia – C2D: List of princesses of Serbia. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:43, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Greek princesses to Category:Princesses of Greece – C2D: List of princesses of Greece. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:42, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Liechtenstein princesses to Category:Princesses of Liechtenstein – C2C: Category:Princes of Liechtenstein. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Luxembourgian princesses to Category:Princesses of Luxembourg – C2C: Category:Princes of Luxembourg. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Saudi Arabian princesses to Category:Princesses of Saudi Arabia – C2C: Category:Kings of Saudi Arabia. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Saudi Arabian princes to Category:Princes of Saudi Arabia – C2C: Category:Kings of Saudi Arabia. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• @Hey man im josh: I am certainly not opposing these princes and princesses nominations, but it may be worthwhile to check all articles whether they truly are about a prince(ss) of country Foo rather than a prince(ss) of some other country and born in country Foo. If the latter, then purge. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Opposed requests

• Category:Portuguese duchesses to Category:Duchesses of Portugal – C2C: Category:Dukes of Portugal. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Polish countesses to Category:Countesses of Poland – C2C: Category:Counts of Poland. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Spanish duchesses to Category:Duchesses of Spain – C2C: Category:Dukes of Spain. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Spanish countesses to Category:Countesses of Spain – C2C: Category:Counts of Spain. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Swedish baronesses to Category:Baronesses of Sweden – C2C: Category:Barons of Sweden. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:French baronesses to Category:Baronesses of France – C2C: Category:Barons of France. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:French duchesses to Category:Duchesses of France – C2C: Category:Dukes of France‎ + children categories. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Hungarian countesses to Category:Countesses of Hungary – C2C: Category:Counts of Hungary Hey man im josh (talk) 16:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Danish baronesses to Category:Baronesses of Denmark – C2C: Category:Barons of Denmark Hey man im josh (talk) 16:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Austrian countesses to Category:Countesses of Austria – C2C: Category:Counts of Austria. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Belgian countesses to Category:Countesses of Belgium – C2C: Category:Counts of Belgium as well as child categories. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• @Hey man im josh: oppose the above duchesses, countesses and baronesses nominations, the proposed name wrongly suggests that Duchess of Foo was their title, while these categories are in fact about Fooian nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Ghaznavid sultans to Category:Sultans of Ghazna – C2C: Category:Sultans + category contents. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose this one, the name refers to the dynasty Ghaznavids. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

• • Category:11th-century Kings of the Romans to Category:11th-century kings of the Romans
  • Category:12th-century Kings of the Romans to Category:12th-century kings of the Romans
  • Category:13th-century Kings of the Romans to Category:13th-century kings of the Romans
  • Category:14th-century Kings of the Romans to Category:14th-century kings of the Romans
  • Category:15th-century Kings of the Romans to Category:15th-century kings of the Romans
  • Category:16th-century Kings of the Romans to Category:16th-century kings of the Romans
  • Category:17th-century Kings of the Romans to Category:17th-century kings of the Romans
  • Category:18th-century Kings of the Romans to Category:18th-century kings of the Romans
  • Category:19th-century Kings of the Romans to Category:19th-century kings of the Romans

• Oppose Kings of the Romans nominations. "King of the Romans" is a full title, it has nothing to do with Romans. Also, this has been on full discussion before. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Marcocapelle: How is this different from ? King becomes kings when pluralized in all applications that I'm aware of. What more is a discussion supposed to yield? Hey man im josh (talk) 14:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Video gamers to Category:Video game players – C2C: To match Category:Game players, which is not called "gamers". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose: Main article's title is Gamer. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 23:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  So you propose we change Category:Board game players and Category:Card game players to Category:Board gamers and Category:Card gamers? As the lead article says it includes them and we should have one consistent style. Gonnym (talk) 11:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  I do not propose those other categories for name changing too. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 22:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  So the main article title is gamer, it talks about board gamers and card gamers, but only video gamers should use this style? Gonnym (talk) 21:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

On hold pending other discussion

• None currently

Moved to full discussion

• Category:Neo-Latin writers to Category:Writers in Neo-Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 01:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose This is not very natural language. It is inconsistent with the same level categories "Classical Latin-language writers‎", "Latin-language writers of late antiquity‎", "Medieval Latin-language writers‎", "Old Latin-language writers‎", and "Renaissance Latin-language writers‎".

  This is because "Neo-Latin" etc are actually styles, that are associated with a period. Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Latin-language writers of late antiquity to Category:Writers of late antiquity in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Classical Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Classical Latin – C2C: Parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Old Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Old Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose Sounds clumsy. Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Renaissance Latin-language writers to Category:Renaissance writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose Sounds weird per others Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Medieval Latin-language writers to Category:Medieval writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose Same. These sound weird. Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

  @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

  But these are not "by period"; they are "by style". This especially true for Neo-Latin. The periods and styles often coincide, but not precisely. Better would be to follow the styles defined in the articles, so:

  • Old Latin writers
  • Classical Latin writers
  • Medieval Latin writers
  • Renaissance Latin writers
  • Neo-Latin Latin writers

  I've explained elsewhere that the periods and styles are not precise. For instance, a writer in the Renaissance may have employed Medieval Latin, or Renaissance Latin; and some may define their Renaissance Latin as Neo-Latin. These are stylistic boundaries which roughly match period, but it is the style, not the period, that determines their classifications. Jim Killock (talk) 19:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

  @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

  The issue is that the whole category structure is used to amalgamate and conflate these two ideas. I don't have an easy solution to it, that doesn't involve some work. It's reasonable to say that a C12th Medieval Latin writer used Medieval Latin, or a C20th writer uses Neo-Latin. Boundary centuries seem debateable. However, the structure makes an absolute assumption, that century and style are the same, except where I started to break it up. This has come up in two recent discussions, the other being when someone wanted to remove my boundary category. But it's clear that the intention was that Category:Classical Latin-language writers should contain Classical Latin writers, ie be a style category, not a time category. Likewise, Late Latin and Neo-Latin. There can be doubt about medieval Latin because of it seems to refer to a period rather than a style; however as it is a set of style categories we should assume it is about style, likewise for Renaissance Latin. The fact that the categories group information from centuries is a laziness, nothing more. In short it is a mess but it is only made worse by changing the names to appear to refer to time periods, some of which don't really exist (Classical Latin isn't a time, nor is Latin Latin, nor is Neo-Latin).

  Category:Writers in Classical Latin; Category:Writers in Neo-Latin - these all refer to a style; they are acceptable from that perspective, but they sounds strange / clumsy to my ear; the natural way to say is Category:Classical Latin writers, Category:Neo-Latin writers, or as close to that as WP allows.

  Taking one example to show why the suggested formulation can sound wrong. Category:Writers in Old Latin; Old Latin is recognised as a phase of Latin, rather than a "style" of Latin, so a bit different, but it functions the same. It is like Old English, not quite the same as Modern English. So, "writers in Old Latin" doesn't work because You [verb] in [language]; you don't [person] in [language]. It is either People writing in Old Latin or Old Latin writers. So Category:Old Latin writers sounds better, another option would be Category:Writers using Old Latin.

  Category:Renaissance writers in Latin; Category:Medieval writers in Latin - refer to a time period and remove the style names. These would need to be Category:Writers in Renaissance Latin; Category:Writers in Medieval Latin. This is not great English, most natural would be Category:Medieval Latin writers, Category: Renaissance Latin writers

  So there seems to be some inconsistency of approach in the current suggestion, as well as a somewhat clumsy use of "in" that isn't needed.

  It has taken me some time to pinpoint the issue with "in"; but I think it is because language can be either a noun or an adjective. When it is a style, describing how someone writes, "Classical Latin" etc, is an adjective. If "Classical Latin" is an adjective, then "in" shouldn't be used. If "Classical Latin" is a noun, as with "Classical Latin" the topic then "in" is possible, eg "Grammar in Classical Latin", or "They write in Classical Latin". As an adjective, it works as "Classical Latin writers". --Jim Killock (talk) 00:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

  I suppose this will have to be moved to full then... NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 30#Category:Neo-Latin writers. NLeeuw (talk) 17:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Baseball players in the United States by populated place to Category:Baseball players from the United States by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Baseball players by city or town in Taiwan to Category:Baseball players from Taiwan by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Baseball players by city or town in South Korea to Category:Baseball players from South Korea by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Baseball players by city or town in Puerto Rico to Category:Baseball players from Puerto Rico by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Baseball players by city or town in Canada to Category:Baseball players from Canada by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Baseball players by city or town in Australia to Category:Baseball players from Australia by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Baseball players by city or town in Mexico to Category:Baseball players from Mexico by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

  C2C to what? Oppose until clarified. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 15:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

  @Armbrust, clarify what precisely? The split should be at the end and the recent Cfd is that "by city and town" in categories, as @Smasongarrison will note, is now "by populated place". Also, WP:C2C because the subcategories are all titled "Baseball players from...". For example, "Category:Baseball players from New York City". Its the standard form. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

  So I think part of the confusion is that there are multiple elements at play for each of the noms. Omnis it might help if you went through the noms to provide an example for each type. For just looking, I can see city or town -> populated place; moving the stems to the end, and changing people in city in COUNTRY to FOOian people. Aalthough I do agree that c2c does apply, it's a lot to unpack. Mason (talk) 20:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

  @Smasongarrison, well there are two basic changes. One is moving the split to the end. The other is bringing them all to one form which is "Baseball players from Foo". I will list one from each category:

  • U.S.: Category:Baseball players from New York City
  • Taiwan: Category:Baseball players from Taipei‎
  • South Korea: Category:Baseball players from Seoul
  • Puerto Rico: Category:Baseball players from San Juan, Puerto Rico
  • Canada: Category:Baseball players from Toronto
  • Australia: Category:Baseball players from Melbourne
  • Mexico: Category:Baseball players from Mexico City

  I hope this clears up any confusion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

  @Armbrust, would appreciate a reply so this can either go through or go to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

  The overwhelming majority of subcategories in ප්‍රවර්ගය:Sportspeople by country and populated place uses the “SPORTSPLAYER by city or town in COUNTRY” format (if it’s not about a specific location) and not the one proposed above. I’m not opposed to replacing “city or town” with “populated place”, but IMO rearranging the title of the categories shouldn’t be done speedily. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 22:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

  @Armbrust, in which case they all should change. I will wait for the opinion of @Smasongarrison though before I go through with it since split should be at the end. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

  @Marcocapelle, should I take this to full Cfd or does the previous Cfd on "by populated place" apply here? Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

  It's in line with others changes to actors etc. But a full cfd would allow us to do them all at once. 🤷 Mason (talk) 23:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

  • @Omnis Scientia: the outcome of a previous CfD isn't necessarily a speedy criterion. It only counts if a clear majority of categories were tackled in that CfD. Besides, considering the amount of discussion we already had here, I would take this to full CfD anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

    @Smasongarrison, @Marcocapelle, thank you. Will do so. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

    And I realize the form should actually be "Fooian sportspeople by populated place" so I can adjust accordingly there too. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:32, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

• @Omnis Scientia: this is now in the "moved to full discussion" section but a full discussion hasn't been started yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

  @Marcocapelle, no idea who did moved it to "full disciussion" - I had moved it to "pending other discussions" while the parent categories were changed from "City or town" to "populated place". Then I was going to bring this to full. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

• If you look at Category:American sportspeople by sport and populated place, most of these categories are titled "Sportsplayers by populated place in country" not "Sportsplayers in/from county by populated place". Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  Moved to full discussion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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